26-10-2022, 17:21
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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... in which she is not specific at all, but is concerned about a 'paradigm shift' in what is considered criminal behaviour. Likewise, you were earlier not specific at all (unless you're referring to a post earlier than the one I previously replied to?)
Spurrier's submission is hardly bringing anything novel to the discussion in any case. New acts of parliament often bring activities that previously were not criminal into the purview of criminal law. That's sort of the whole point. People find new and inventive ways of imposing themselves on others; eventually the put-upon majority decides enough is enough and begins to demand action. Sooner or later, politicians hear the clamour, realise it's a popular issue, and act on it.
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Some details on the new Public Order Bill:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...more-difficult
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Here are the key provisions it includes:
New protest-related offences of “locking-on” – a protester attaching themselves to other people, objects or buildings to cause disruption – and “going equipped to lock-on”, as well as causing serious disruption by tunnelling, obstructing major transport works, and interfering with key national infrastructure. The penalties include unlimited fines and prison sentences of up to 12 months.
Serious disruption prevention orders, which will allow courts to bar an individual from associating with other activists, being in a specific place, having particular items like bike locks or superglue, or encouraging others to commit a protest-related offence. They may be enforced by the imposition of an electronic tag, and breaches could lead to six months in prison or an unlimited fine.
New stop and search powers for protest, which will allow police to intervene if they believe somebody has an object intended to help them to commit a protest-related offence like wilful obstruction of a highway – a category that could include the aforementioned bike locks but also posters or placards. Police will also be granted new powers to stop and search people attending a protest, even if they have no grounds for suspicion that they are carrying such an item, but think others in the area might be.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ection-protest
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Under the public order bill, anyone who has protested in the previous five years, or has encouraged other people to protest, can be forced to “submit to … being fitted with, or the installation of, any necessary apparatus” to monitor their movements. In other words, if you attend or support any protest in which “serious disruption to two or more individuals or to an organisation” occurs, you can be forced to wear an electronic tag. “Serious disruption” was redefined by the 2022 Police Act to include noise.
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Please see my earlier comments re: debasement of references to fascism by mindless overuse.
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Please see my earlier quote:
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The road to fascism is lined with people telling you to stop overreacting
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26-10-2022, 17:22
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Thanks - finishing some work now but will engage more thoroughly later
(And just because you predict someone will say you’re over-reacting, does not mean that they’re wrong)
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26-10-2022, 18:20
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Bloody hell. A repeat of the Tottenham riots is needed for these idiots to get their head right. It will happen. Soon.
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26-10-2022, 19:13
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Apart from your ridiculously large text, you're completely mad.
The right to block roads (and by corollary allow people to die in ambulances) should be severely curtailed.
In some ways, it's a pity that the law won't prescribe that people glued to walls should be left there so that they pee their pants, shit their clothes and end up with the worst of it.
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26-10-2022, 22:09
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
The former Chairman of the Conservative Party has said there were multiple breaches of the ministerial code from Braverman's
https://twitter.com/PiersUncensored/...61104062058508
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"From my own knowledge, there were multiple breaches of the ministerial code."
Sacked Conservatives chairman Jake Berry addresses Home Secretary Suella Braverman's alleged security breach.
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26-10-2022, 22:14
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
Peston reporting here that Sunak is believed to have over-ruled cabinet secretary Case in re-appointing Suella Braverman.
He notes that this raises important constitutional issues, particularly the role of the Cabinet Secretary in preventing ministers from becoming a security risk.
William Wragg, Chair of the Commons Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee, is being urged to investigate this.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1585321216318898176
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26-10-2022, 22:20
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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good move from Sunak
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26-10-2022, 22:32
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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So, at the risk of playing the man rather than the ball … George Monbiot? Really?
I repeat my point from earlier, the proposal is to grant the Home Secretary the power to ask, not to act. A judge would decide whether the situation satisfied what is clearly quite a high legal bar in terms of the seriousness of disruption. Insinuating that people who attend a half-million march through London in 2023 face any significant prospect of getting caught in some neo-fascist dragnet any time up to 2028 is absurd.
But then his nickname isn’t Moonbat for nothing. This is the man who thinks 75 million ha.of agricultural land in continental Europe should be ‘rewilded’. Ukraine has 41m ha, and look how close some parts of the developing world are to serious food shortages this winter just because *some* of what’s grown there can’t get out.
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26-10-2022, 23:18
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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good move from Sunak
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Terrible move.
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Peston reporting here that Sunak is believed to have over-ruled cabinet secretary Case in re-appointing Suella Braverman.
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Good, this is an issue why?
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27-10-2022, 06:36
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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good move from Sunak
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Will you feel the same when you're freezing to death in the future.
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27-10-2022, 07:46
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
So business as usual?Hopefully until the GE.
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27-10-2022, 09:47
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Will you feel the same when you're freezing to death in the future.
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Fracking won't help
https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/e...ergy-security/
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Prof Jon Gluyas, Director of the Durham Energy Institute, Durham University, said:
“Can fracking for shale gas alleviate the UK’s energy supply crisis? No!
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The resource is indeed huge but the reserve – that which can be won by drilling and fracking is tiny and indeed to date the proven commercial reserve for the UK is zero. We have, to put it bluntly the wrong kind of shale.
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Prof Andrew Aplin, from the Department of Earth Sciences at Durham University, said:
“Risks associated with fracking in the UK are manageable within a strict regulatory framework. But shale gas would only make a significant dent to UK imports if, over the next few years, thousands of successful wells are drilled at hundreds of sites across northern England. This isn’t realistic so shale cannot make a material difference to our energy supply over the next few years – even with public approval for fracking.
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27-10-2022, 10:22
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
Have never been convinced of fracking argument, plus, the sheer amounts of shale gas, is not guaranteed for UK domestic markets, it will be extracted and sold to highest bidder.
It was the stupidest idea ever, to cease our storage capacity of gas, become too reliant on imports, no one ever thinking that one day, that supply is rationed as Europe suffers with energy stocks, thanks to Putin.
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Good, this is an issue why?
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Yeah, why?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cerns-MI5.html
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Suella Braverman was embroiled in probe over leak that raised 'concerns' at MI5
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Suella Braverman was probed by Government officials as part of an inquiry into the leak of a sensitive story involving Britain's security services, the Daily Mail can reveal today.
The Home Secretary was included in an investigation this year by a little-known unit within the Cabinet Office that handles leak inquiries.
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27-10-2022, 11:22
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Now that i'm a pensioner no triple lock means i vote for someone else
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There's no general election at the moment and unlikely to be one for a couple of years. By then, I'm sure the Conservatives and perhaps other Parties will have reinstatement of the Triple Lock on their manifesto (assuming it's paused) as they all know the power of the pensioner vote, particularly the Conservatives.
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