Hamas Israel War

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s probably one of the most rational.

As the terrorist sympathisers on this site always try to equate Israel’s actions and Hamas’s actions as canceling each other out. There’s numerous examples on this thread if you have a very brief look.

The argument that one side killed babies, but so did the other, so they’re both morally the same.

An Israeli soldier firing a strike on Gaza and collaterally killing a child is awful and terrible, but it takes a whole different direction if that person personally beheads that child with his own hands.

I don’t think you can equivocate the two, but happy to hear from anyone that can.

You are conflating motivation with consequence. I might be alone here but dropping a block of flats on civilians is just wrong and I am happy to say so.

I'd like to know who these "terrorist sympathisers" are on this forum? I for one, regard Hamas as terrorist ****. They are evil beyond words. YMMV ...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s probably one of the most rational.

As the terrorist sympathisers on this site always try to equate Israel’s actions and Hamas’s actions as canceling each other out. There’s numerous examples on this thread if you have a very brief look.

The argument that one side killed babies, but so did the other, so they’re both morally the same.

An Israeli soldier firing a strike on Gaza and collaterally killing a child is awful and terrible, but it takes a whole different direction if that person personally beheads that child with his own hands.

I don’t think you can equivocate the two, but happy to hear from anyone that can.

Wonder if the Israeli apologists have considered they're comparing their behaviour to terrorists and saying they're not quite as bad, well imo they need to be held to a far higher standard than the **** of the earth and not just one rung above them

[jfman]

I think throwing around labels like “terrorist sympathisers” when Israel are committing war crimes on some of the poorest, most defenceless, people in the world is a bold move.

Reports overnight have them threatening to bomb aid convoys from Egypt. The fact Israel are a nation state in no way legitimises such a morally reprehensible action.

I’ve not seen anyone claim the actions of one “cancel out” the other. However it can’t be ignored that both sides (on the ground there) use the actions of the other to justify their actions.

Most defenceless ? They may be poor, but they certainly dont appear defenceless, they have far more military power then you or I have.

[Hom3r]

I hope it's not true about babies being murdered and beheaded.


Those types deserve everything they get.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I hope it's not true about babies being murdered and beheaded.


Those types deserve everything they get.

Think it might be true sadly and not just babies but older children too, my nephew is a UK journalist working for an Arab newspaper and he's gone from official channels that cannot verify it this morning to IDF eye winess accounts this afternoon

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Think it might be true sadly and not just babies but older children too, my nephew is a UK journalist working for an Arab newspaper and he's gone from official channels that cannot verify it this morning to IDF eye winess accounts this afternoon

Hamas deserve to be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Innocent Palestinians do not, but I don’t see how Israel can effectively deal with it.

Sending troops into Gaza would be disastrous, no effective military operation could undertaken in there.

I don’t think there should be any further air strikes.

Israel have made their point and they could flatten Gaza. I think they should focus now on improving their security.

They know who Hamas is they should put all efforts into bringing them to justice or killing them.

I don’t think Israelis want dead Palestinians in retribution, they want dead Hamas.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Hamas deserve to be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Innocent Palestinians do not, but I don’t see how Israel can effectively deal with it.

Sending troops into Gaza would be disastrous, no effective military operation could undertaken in there.

I don’t think there should be any further air strikes.

Israel have made their point and they could flatten Gaza. I think they should focus now on improving their security.

They know who Hamas is they should put all efforts into bringing them to justice or killing them.

I don’t think Israelis want dead Palestinians in retribution, they want dead Hamas.

I'm not sure that's true Pierre, I cannot accept the withholding of food, water and medicine to a civilian population are anything other than war crimes

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'm not sure that's true Pierre, I cannot accept the withholding of food, water and medicine to a civilian population are anything other than war crimes

Don’t conflate what the Israel government does to Israelis, similarly as not conflating Palestinians to Hamas.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'm not sure that's true Pierre, I cannot accept the withholding of food, water and medicine to a civilian population are anything other than war crimes

Is Egypt committing war crimes by refusing to allow such things to get into Gaza via its southern border?

It’s odd, don’t you think, that the description of Gaza as a sealed-off prison camp is so often repeated uncritically, as if Israel is in entire control of Gaza’s borders. It isn’t, and never has been.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

Is Egypt committing war crimes by refusing to allow such things to get into Gaza via its southern border?

It’s odd, don’t you think, that the description of Gaza as a sealed-off prison camp is so often repeated uncritically, as if Israel is in entire control of Gaza’s borders. It isn’t, and never has been.

Considering Israel bombed the border crossing yesterday - three times - I’m intrigued at how you propose Palestinians actually cross.

Egypt are under no obligation to assist Israel with their exercise in ethnic cleansing.

Originally Posted by jfman

Egypt are under no obligation to assist Israel with their exercise in ethnic cleansing.

You want to be careful … that sort of creative thinking might have Suella Braverman asking you for policy ideas.

There was a time when I would have supported Israel unreservedly. But not now.Not all Palestinians are Hamas supporters and if,if, Israel wants to be seen above reproach then that country needs to have a more measured response.
I'm not happy that the rest of the world has just assumed that Israel have the right to flatten all of Palestine.Not all Palestinians are Hamas or terrorists.If Israel are not careful they could make that the case.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Maggy

There was a time when I would have supported Israel unreservedly. But not now.Not all Palestinians are Hamas supporters and if,if, Israel wants to be seen above reproach then that country needs to have a more measured response.
I'm not happy that the rest of the world has just assumed that Israel have the right to flatten all of Palestine.Not all Palestinians are Hamas or terrorists.If Israel are not careful they could make that the case.

Not all Israelis are the Israel government.

Why are you not judging them the same way?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not all Israelis are the Israel government.

Why are you not judging them the same way?

I’m not sure the point of the word games, Maggy consistently refers to Israel the state. It’s the state carrying out their war, siege and - in the words of their own energy Minister - cutting electricity supplies because of the actions of a small number of Palestinians.

It’s frightening they can act with such impunity to essentially confess their own war crimes before committing them knowing it will not be acted upon by the international community.