Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
05-09-2017, 12:19
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Originally Posted by ianch99
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The title is actually how to get behind brexit.
But I am not sure how the caller came to those frank ideas.
1) Can holiday anywhere outside of Britian and Europe and still be behind Brexit/Britain.
2) If we are talking about UK Manufacturing... Washing machines made and designed in UK....to be truly patriotic...you could still wash clothes in a UK made Washing machine....
Probably only ever time I plug a product...but to make a point...
https://www.ebac.com/washing-machines
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05-09-2017, 12:27
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Originally Posted by Mick
The title is actually how to get behind brexit.
But I am not sure how the caller came to those frank ideas.
1) Can holiday anywhere outside of Britian and Europe and still be behind Brexit/Britain.
2) If we are talking about UK Manufacturing... Washing machines made and designed in UK....to be truly patriotic...you could still wash clothes in a UK made Washing machine....
Probably only ever time I plug a product...but to make a point...
https://www.ebac.com/washing-machines
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no setting for soft wooly muffins
i always holiday in the UK [on my boat in norfolk ]
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05-09-2017, 12:30
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Originally Posted by Mick
The title is actually how to get behind brexit.
But I am not sure how the caller came to those frank ideas.
1) Can holiday anywhere outside of Britian and Europe and still be behind Brexit/Britain.
2) If we are talking about UK Manufacturing... Washing machines made and designed in UK....to be truly patriotic...you could still wash clothes in a UK made Washing machine....
Probably only ever time I plug a product...but to make a point...
https://www.ebac.com/washing-machines
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I agree that the idiot who phoned in gives the majority of Leavers a bad name .. but it does illustrate the sort of mindset some people actually do have on this subject.
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05-09-2017, 12:39
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
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*You're.
If you're going to believe in Britain at least get our language right
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Insane.
You have to wonder when the lunatics got the keys to the asylum. There must be a better way than this?
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i always holiday in the UK [on my boat in norfolk ]
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Let's hear it for Global Britain
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05-09-2017, 14:13
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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The EU has not worked out what it wants from Brexit, the City’s top European envoy said today.
Jeremy Browne, a former Lib Dem MP, warned that European countries don’t have a “clear vision” about the future of the EU and are likely to fight among themselves over Brexit.
He suggested that the bigger countries have been bullying smaller states - adding that the two powerhouses France and Germany are divided on how to handle the talks.
Mr Browne has visited every single EU member since last year’s Brexit referendum in his role as the City of London’s special representative in Europe.
He told the Financial Times that European countries were deeply split despite their efforts to present a united front to British negotiators.
The ex-minister said: “It is not clear they really have a clear vision of what they want their relationship with the UK to be - even though we will be one of their most important trading partners.”
He added: “Brexit is not really about the UK in some ways. It has also become a prism through which the 27 see themselves. So France, for instance, sees it as an opportunity to reshape the bloc in a manner that suits its interest.”
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Ferrits in a bag comes to mind.
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05-09-2017, 14:20
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
Being pro-Brexit has nothing to do with not wanting to trade with, visit and have mutually beneficial relationships with other countries. We can do all of those things perfectly well outside of the EU and control our own destiny which is why we voted to leave.
As regards Mr Browne's observations I think he's right. Did anyone seriously believe that behind the scenes there isn't turmoil within the EU and that it won't continue after we leave? Maybe the likes of the unbiased BBC could do a bit more to highlight that fact. None of this is absurd fiction - the EU's entire history has been dogged by disagreement and as the club's grown bigger the disagreements have inevitably increased. The fact that Germany pulls most of the strings now isn't going to be lost on many EU members.
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05-09-2017, 16:24
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
The chief EU negotiator for Brexit has said that Britain needs to be taught a lesson about the cost of leaving the EU:
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcnickro...uid=3004087394
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05-09-2017, 17:46
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
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Except he didn't say that.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=2742
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Speaking at a conference in Italy on Saturday, Mr Barnier said he did not want to punish the UK for leaving but said: "I have a state of mind - not aggressive... but I'm not naïve."
"We intend to teach people… what leaving the single market means," he told the Ambrosetti forum.
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Being pro-Brexit has nothing to do with not wanting to trade with, visit and have mutually beneficial relationships with other countries. We can do all of those things perfectly well outside of the EU and control our own destiny which is why we voted to leave.
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I don't think you can really give any explanation why everyone who voted one way or the other did so and it's really silly when anyone tries to claim people voted to leave or remain for any set of reasons.
The polls conducted after the vote disagree with you, but could easily be wrong and, regardless, Parliament was always sovereign.
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Not a surprise at all, is it? Given our own cabinet can't agree on what kind of Brexit they want I can't even begin to imagine what 27 different governments are coming up with.
There's a really good reason why they drew up and agreed negotiating guidelines within the Council - to avoid the process being sidetracked by such arguments.
Tad late for them to fight one another - they agreed Barnier's negotiating positions months ago and need unanimity to change them.
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05-09-2017, 17:56
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Nick Robinson is showing hand as someone who is desperate to be "noticed" as a political operator. Pity he choose fake news to to this with.
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05-09-2017, 20:42
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Will be interesting to see the repercussions of this leak.
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Leaked document reveals UK Brexit plan to deter EU immigrants
Exclusive: Home Office paper sets out detailed proposals including measures to drive down number of low-skilled migrants from Europe
Britain will end the free movement of labour immediately after Brexit and introduce restrictions to deter all but highly-skilled EU workers under detailed proposals set out in a Home Office document leaked to the Guardian.
The 82-page paper, marked as extremely sensitive and dated August 2017, sets out for the first time how Britain intends to approach the politically charged issue of immigration, dramatically refocusing policy to put British workers first.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-eu-immigrants
Meanwhile, the media hits back at Lord Adonis's criticisms of the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation. He was right but it's risky to criticise one individual.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3627146.html
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06-09-2017, 07:10
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Good, I was really starting to wonder what the point of leaving actually was, nothing seemed like it was going to change, no one was going back, they could still come here, we'd still be part of the trading block blah blah so I'm glad that something is going to make all this worthwhile ish
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06-09-2017, 09:51
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Furious Brexit-backing Labour MPs vowed to defy Jeremy Corbyn's new order to vote down the Brexit Bill next week.
The party were branded “irresponsible” for ordering their MPs to vote against the EU Withdrawal Bill.
Labour claimed the vital Bill - which will put existing EU laws into British law as part of the Brexit process - would “let Government ministers grab powers from parliament to slash people’s rights at work and reduce protection for consumers and the environment.”
Veteran ex-minister Frank Field said: "Naturally, I’ll be voting for the bill of course.
“I haven't seen the Chief Whip yet. But you can't expect those of us who voted and campaigned for Leave not to vote for the Bill.
"I think it is proper for people to follow what they think is the right line and we will all be doing that I hope. So I shall be voting for the Bill."
One Labour MP, who did not want to be named, told The Sun that Labour MPs were plotting a rebellion.
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06-09-2017, 11:14
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Kudos to Frank Field and other principled Labour MPs, respecting the democratic decision that was taken.
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06-09-2017, 11:46
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
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A big repercussion being that the Home Office apparently drafted this and the Home Secretary was unaware. Theresa May can't help herself with her control freakery. An incompetent Home Secretary that doesn't seem to learn from her many mistakes.
The Times story made me smile in an ironic way.
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Europeans without a job would be blocked from staying for more than a few months after March 2019, when Britain exits the EU, according to an 81-page blueprint for Britain’s future immigration system. Those arriving for longer than six months may be required to register for residence cards, including fingerprinting, it says.
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We can do this right now - Germany, for instance, already do.
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Kudos to Frank Field and other principled Labour MPs, respecting the democratic decision that was taken.
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There are many ways to 'respect the democratic decision'. Whether handing this level of power to ministers is the right way is debatable.
For a small 'l' liberal the bill as it stands is alarming. It's an unprecedented transfer of power from Parliament to the executive. I don't trust Theresa May and her cabinet of errors to exercise such powers with basically zero oversight. She is provably incompetent and repeatedly reminds us such.
Whether it passes or not the UK leaves the EU. Opposing it is not an attempt to reverse the referendum result.
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Actually David Allen Green puts it way better than I could.
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06-09-2017, 12:08
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
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Kudos to Frank Field and other principled Labour MPs, respecting the democratic decision that was taken.
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Yup, he's one of a few Labour MP's I actually respect and have done for many years.
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