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Old 21-08-2017, 09:43   #344
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Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).

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Originally Posted by Damien View Post
What's going to replace fuel tax is a trivial problem. That isn't going to cause the biggest issues in the future. The problem is going to be automation. So many jobs are going to be taken by automation that if we're not careful all this income will funnel up to the people who own the technology.

Self-driving cars are an example. We're very close to self-driving trunks being able to do the bulk of long-distance freight. In the near term they'll require drivers for the 'last mile', driving the trunks from stop-off points to their location on the side roads but otherwise they can probably drive themselves.

In the slightly longer term we may well have 'cars as a service'. Uber without the human drivers. You wouldn't need to own a car and instead just call one up via a Uber-style app on your phone/watch/voice activated device. The lack of a human driver and the fact the car could run continually would make this far more cost-effective per person than owning a car but the companies that run it would earn a fortune. Just think how inefficient cars are now. Most people have their cars sitting idle the majority of the time, doing nothing. It's a waste of money and space. Instead fewer cars can service more people at a fraction of the cost.

All of that is without mentioning how bizarre it may seem in future that we trusted these fast metal machines to humans with our slow human brains and lack of ability to coordinate in a wider network.

That's where all the money will go. Fuel tax would be nothing compared to that.
Problem with this notion is there's no responsibility, you'll always need a bum on a seat to take the blame when something goes tragically wrong

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I think people will look back at the fact humans drove cars, making all the decisions themselves, as bizarre. Our reaction times are poor, we're unpredictable and we have really primitive ways of expressing our intentions to each other. A computer can make instant decisions and can network in to know what every other car is doing. They could speed along way in excess of 100mph and still know what each car around them, for miles, will do. They could make constant minor changes in speed to adjust for the action of cars miles ahead.
And yet driverless cars have already killed someone, it had done 250k miles iirc, how many people have you killed in your last 250 000 miles Damien

inquirer/news/2463487/man-killed-in-tesla-self-driving-car-cras



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Nail on head Damien. Personal ownership of a car will disappear, busses will become self drive (if their continued existence is justified).

Wagon drivers will only still exist as shunters at best and that won't continue for long.

It won't stop there either, millions of jobs will disappear as AI and other technology replaces the need for human employees.

This then poses a problem for corporate business, albeit theoretical ATM.

Corporate business has drastically cut it's labour costs (the bean counters are going to be happy).

Now however because the population cannot earn money due to the dearth of employment corporate business starts losing money because people aren't buying their products. How can they? They've all been sacked and replaced with machines!

Oh how future technology will benefit us.
Universal basic income will mean we all keep on buying stuff we don't need, Switzerland just rejected the idea

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