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Old 16-10-2017, 18:18   #22
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Re: Disaster for Merkel?

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Originally Posted by Damien View Post
Disengaging from a continent that might be progressively more right wing has not been a winning strategy historically.

The picture is complicated though. Europe hasn't turned fascist. We've seen a swing to the right over the last five years but not a take-over. Le Pen made the final round in France but got comprehensively defeated by Macron. The AfD made bigger gains that they were expected to immediately before the election but not as much as people were worried about at the end of last year with Merkel winning despite the domestic problems she had. Whilst in Holland the far-right didn't make progress.

There are warning signs sure but it's not a collapse yet.

The hope for Europe as a whole is that with the recovery of the Eurozone and the improving situation in Syria that some pressure is released over the next few years.
No it's not a collapse or anything like it, yet, but it does prove how the policies of the EU are creating serious issues amongst member states and quite a lot of people here in the UK seem unwilling to accept that fact. In fact they were the first to whine on about the UK's supposedly right wing response yet have nothing to say about the far more extreme goings on in their beloved EU.

As for disengaging, we've been in the club for decades and very little has changed and they've rarely listened. Us being inside or not won't change what's going to happen politically but at least we'll be able to decide what we do about it. That might just be choosing the least worst option but at least we'll have a choice which won't be the case under the Juncker vision which he's made perfectly clear for us all.

I think it's highly dangerous to ignore or underestimate the ill feeling which is building up in front of our eyes and it won't just fade away whatever we do. The political movements we have been seeing in recent years would have been unthinkable not that long ago and it won't take much to set things off in one place or another and create a domino effect. The Eurocrats need to take notice of what's going on but I doubt they will, they're far too busy pursuing their grand scheme.

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