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Looks like this could become another Savile affair with more and more footballers coming out each day as the story unfolds:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38107910

Saw an interview with Paul Stewart on 'This Morning'. He said that his addictions were as a result of trying to block out what was done to him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38090926

Barry Bennell is pictured here with Stewart and Gazza:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/...xually-abused/

I wonder if Gascoignes addiction to drinking is because he was abused too?

There was a programme on Radio 4 earlier this week that said that boys/men who have been abused by other men fear being tainted by homosexuality:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b082vys4 it's from about 0:25

Wasn't Gazza always keen to point out that (sic) he was "not a pufta"??

One footballer, Steve Walters, said on this mornings Victoria Derbyshire programme that he wondered if it meant that he was gay and this had stopped him forming close relationships with men, so this indicates that this could be true.

It's the first topic to be discussed if anyone wants to watch it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b083hbky

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There is every chance that this could be a true. BUT, don't forget what l hve said. It takes a very long time to tell other people, wife or husband or family about this.

Many years ago when it happened to me. There was a favourite spot in Hammersmith, where this was happening. But police did nothing about it.

I think they guys who are coming out with this now. ONLY came about because of the Saville business.

I applaud there actions. Its not easy. And No, l don't think its anything to do with there own sexuality. In fact with e. It has scarred me for life. Even when l go the public loos nw. I wont stand next to anyone, when l use the loos

But, the sad thing is that what is happening now is just the tip of a very large iceberg. And it wont melt until the Law gets tough with what is happening.

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I agree Arthur, what an adult does to a child doesn't in any way determine what the child's sexuality will turn out to be.

The Savile inquiry and now this may unfortunately show that this behaviour is much more prevalent than anyone imagined.

I applaud their actions too, I think it's harder for a man to admit to what happened to them, particularly in the macho world of football.

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News now saying that over 20 footballers have now come forward to say that they were sexually abused.

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This looks like it could be the tip of the iceberg Richard as several sources say there could be several hundred that were sexually abused over several decades.

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Terrible isn't it, especially so soon after the Savile inquiry.

I found it upsetting to see all those footballers in tears and to learn that the abuse even extended to penetration after watching the Victoria Derbyshire show:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8c3w48mLMKI

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Just been discussing this with friends.

Schoolboy soccer will attract paedophiles like a moth to a light.

If anyone has a young lad who plays for one of these teams, it might be an idea to sit him down and ask if anything untoward has happened when training, playing football etc.

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Sounds to me like Barry Bennell has either attempted suicide or been assaulted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38134941

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Disgusting comments from Eric Bristow about the sexually abused footballers; there's also a rugby player who it's happened to too:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-arent-9354804

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Yes l read those repulsive comments this morning and they certainly are despicable as he has no idea how it is for somebody who is being sexually abused or has been sexually abused before.

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Exactly, he also seems to think that paedophila and homosexuality are the same thing!

Thought those views died out long ago.

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Pleased to see that Sky have now sacked Bristo.

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They simply had no option Richard.

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Where does he say that? He wasn't talking about all gay men and he wasn't talking about all paedophiles. He was ONLY talking about the men that abused young boys. That would make them gay and a paedophile.

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Which ones worse? The only sexual predilection Eric should've mentioned is the one for children imo

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Certain people seem to want to hide the fact that men that sexually abuse boys will overwhelming be gay.

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Nonsense:

* Men who become sexually excited by prepubescent children (male or female) are not gay or straight, they are paedophiles.

* Most paedophiles are turned on by the fact it's a child, the sex of the child is largely irrelevant to them.

* The football coach had relationships with adult females, yet liked young boys too.

* The majority of paedophiles will be considered heterosexual in their public life.

* Given the above, there is bound to be more heterosexual men than homosexual men abusing young boys, simply because there are more straight than gay men in the world.

This isn't to say that there won't be some men who are regarded as gay in their public life who also commit acts of a paedophiliac nature, but to say "most" is wholly inaccurate.

Bristos offensive and homophobic language has been widely condemned and his employer appears to agree, hence his dismissal.

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So the gay slang term "chicken" doesn't exist? Even Elton John and John Wayne Gacy married women. Paedophiles have a type. They don't swap around between boys and girls.

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With regards to the Darts player ignore him thus he has no oxygen of publicity.

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Ah yes, the twitter thought police at work again.
Always there to get offended on behalf of someone else.
Why people are still stupid enough to use it I'll never understand.

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I believe that the term "chicken" refers to young lads, but not underage boys.

Paedophila is very complex (I studied sexual deviants as a student).

Some genuinely believe that they can have a relationship with a child as they would with an adult, some do it for the depravity, others for sadistic purposes etc.

You are correct in saying that many do have a type eg sex, age range, looks etc.

He tried to backtrack and said that he referred to the football coach as a "poof" in error (as if that's an acceptable term anyway!) and meant to say 'paedo' instead.

What he said about these brave men was unacceptable; they have enough to contend with without this idiot making such remarks.

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They should've read this

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...orting-legend/

As Derek Bisto said given his usual environment those comments were inevitable :erm:

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The link does not work TD.

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Presumably because it has the word ****ed in it, anyone wishing to may feel free to use their imagination to scroll down to the correct article

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Maybe CF, as a family friendly site, also blocks links with such terminology in them??

If any men reading this has suffered sex abuse as a child, three organisations that might be able to help are:

M power https://helplines.org/helplines/mpower/

Survivors UK https://www.survivorsuk.org

National Association for people who have been abused in childhood http://napac.org.uk

Help organisations are saying that one good thing about the latest revelations is that it involves football, which a lot of men can relate to, so they are finding that men who have kept this to themselves for many years feel a little more comfortable discussing it many years later.

These organisations have people who have suffered abuse themselves. I'm sure that it must help to be an to speak to someone who can truly understand the effects of sexual abuse in childhood.

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I can answer some of the questions.
Gays, are adults that keep to the SAME partner.
Peados, Grooms Children, until they strike either girls or boys. Then they ply there sick trade. Pass images round other sick *******s.
Then they start the cycle again. Grooming means many types. Money, booze, fags or even drugs. Then they strike.

It happened to me. What is happening to me. Went on for five years. There were lots of places where 'he struck' My parents went to the police. They didn't give a *****. They told me it was in my head. I even told them where to go. They said l was imagined it.

I applaud all those people that are not saying what happened.

Trouble is nowadays, they will go to court and get a small sentence.

But, when it happened to me. The police didn't care.

The reason l talk about it now is that, I want people to know that there are people out there who will listen

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Moved thread and changed title

Moved to Current Affairs as the scope of this thing is getting wider and may continue to be a big story, not just a sporting one.

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Sadly, it is becoming a larger problem than I ever imagined when starting this thread.

As many as 860 footballers have now reported being sexually abused, including David Eatock from Newcastle United.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38157275

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Ex Chelsea player Gary Johnson now saying that he was paid £50,000 to keep quiet about being abused :shocked:

Child sex abuse seems to be much larger than anybody ever imagined.

An ITV poll said that 86% of people had either been sexually abused as a child, or knew someone that had.

After Savile and sport, it makes you wonder which industry will be next :(

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A new case concerning Aston Villa has come to light:

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/c...er-tony-brien/

The person who was abused is interviewed at the beginning of today's Victoria Derbyshire show:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08cgs99

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Adults who find children sexually attractive aren't gay or straight, they're paedophiles.

Agreed.

Its just been on the news that Barry Burnell has pleaded not guilty to the charges of sexually abusing young boys.

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Reports now saying that he will face a further appearance before a court in Liverpool in July, with his trial expected in January 2018.

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On Radio 4 this morning, the NSPCC said that a report of child sex abuse was reported every ten minutes!!!

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Abused by football coaches/employees?

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No, overall.

When you think about it, football is a paedophiles paradise. Lots of young lads running about in shorts with a 'i'll do anything for my/to get on the team mentality', culminating in a legitimate situation where they fully undress.

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This problem doesn't look to be abating.

Panorama has uncovered the sexual abuse of young cadets:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08xgvqn

It was claimed that this would eclipse the scandals by Jimmy Savile and the Catholic church.

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Manchester City are to set up a compensation scheme for victims of abuse:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...sation-scheme/

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Well, let's hope it doesn't put them out of business. I wonder how many claims put forward will be false once a compensation scheme has been set up?

I think the problem with claims of this nature is that it's one person's word against another, with no witnesses to these incidents. A very difficult area indeed. 'Beyond reasonable doubt' are words that come to mind, so maybe payouts should be made only after a court verdict rather than to shut people up.

We still have this annoying habit of jumping to conclusions before hearing the evidence in these cases, and the 'Nick' case shows that the police are just as guilty of this as the general public. When will they learn? Unfortunately, people who bring forward allegations can lie. An easy to access compensation scheme introduces a financial incentive to do so.

A 'victim first' policy is all very well, but what about those who falsely claim they have been abused? The accused then has their reputation irreparably damaged, not to mention the embarrassment and all the social implications of that.

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There is a difference between a criminal and a civil case.

The criminal courts generally place the burden of proof on the prosecution, and the standard of proof is beyond reasonable doubt - the prosecution must prove the case they allege beyond reasonable doubt in order to obtain a conviction.

The civil courts generally place the burden of proof on the claimant so the standard of proof is the balance of probabilities - the claimant must prove the case they allege
is more likely than not in order to obtain judgment in their favour.

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Former Southampton and Peterborough coach Bob Higgins was today convicted of 45 counts of indecent assault against 23 boys.

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A television series covering this subject started yesterday evening. The first part can be viewed here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000ths2