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Re: Home tests 2017

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35913334)

Call me Mystic Meg !

Day night tests don't work. Too much of a disadvantage to the team batting under lights, the pink ball is silly and the evening crowd aren't really interested. Coupled with the fact the WIndies aren't a Test Match team atm.
Hopefully they'll compete more in the one dayers, but 2 utterly pointless 'Test' Matches coming up.

Crikey we have some right stick in the muds in the cricket thread.;)

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35913337)

Rather than messing around with day/night matches this game highlights the need for a proper test league table and two or even three divisions. Such one sided games do nothing for the future of test match cricket: (

Well test cricket survived when we were whitewashed by the Windies and the Aussies in the past 40 years.:erm:

Re: Home tests 2017

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35913360)

Well test cricket survived when we were whitewashed by the Windies and the Aussies in the past 40 years.:erm:

Even those games weren't such a no contest as this one. The problem is test cricket has died in WI, they are only interested in 20/20. Their best players eg. Chris Gayle, won't play test cricket any longer.

Re: Home tests 2017

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35913372)

Even those games weren't such a no contest as this one. The problem is test cricket has died in WI, they are only interested in 20/20. Their best players eg. Chris Gayle, won't play test cricket any longer.

Rubbish Mr K as your memory seems to have shortened rather lately.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35913372)

Even those games weren't such a no contest as this one. The problem is test cricket has died in WI, they are only interested in 20/20. Their best players eg. Chris Gayle, won't play test cricket any longer.

Chris Gayle is not the be all or end all of test cricket.:erm:

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As someone like Mr K who is old enough to have watched first hand the Windies teams of the early 70's I agree with him, the matches where not as one sided as this. A four day test was unusual, a three day one just didn't happen. He is also correct in saying the Windies are a spent force. More interested in baseball and 'soccer' these days.

How old where you in 1976 when Holding blitzed England at the Oval Den?

Also in the 70's test cricket in this country was shown non terrestrial TV so had a massive audience.

And Chris Gayle is one of at least five players who are not in this side but would be if not chasing money elsewhere.:(

Re: Home tests 2017

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35913378)

Old enough less said.;)

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35913378)

As someone like Mr K who is old enough to have watched first hand the Windies teams of the early 70's I agree with him, the matches where not as one sided as this. A four day test was unusual, a three day one just didn't happen. He is also correct in saying the Windies are a spent force. More interested in baseball and 'soccer' these days.

Also in the 70's test cricket in this country was shown non terrestrial TV so had a massive audience.

Can't disagree with that.:p:

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35913378)

As someone like Mr K who is old enough to have watched first hand the Windies teams of the early 70's I agree with him, the matches where not as one sided as this. A four day test was unusual, a three day one just didn't happen. He is also correct in saying the Windies are a spent force. More interested in baseball and 'soccer' these days.

And Chris Gayle is one of at least five players who are not in this side but would be if not chasing money elsewhere.:(

If he and others put the pride of representing their country in the test arena before money and greed his thinking and others might be rather different.:td:

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35913378)

Like our media and pundits at that time of the 70's saying the same about us unless yours and Mr K's memory have forgotten that.;)

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I don't recall the press in general calling England cricket a spent force. The press just accepted that the 70s/80s Windies team was a vastly superior team in all departments to any other side in the world then, not just England, they drubbed everyone.

Much like the Aussies a few years back.

Re: Home tests 2017

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35913405)

I don't recall the press in general calling England cricket a spent force. The press just accepted that the 70s/80s Windies team was a vastly superior team in all departments to any other side in the world then, not just England, they drubbed everyone.

Much like the Aussies a few years back.

Perhaps you need to go to the library and look back at the headlines from all those years ago on microfilm Jim.

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No need at all,

From 1965 to 1985 Englands overall test record against all comers out of a total of 56 series was Won 27, Lost 17, Drawn 12. Hardly the sign of a team in terminal decline.

I will say it once again in case I didn't make myself clear earlier, the West Indies team of that era was a phenomenal team in every single department, no team before or since has had a battery of 6 or 7 world class fast bowlers on call at the same time. Put that together with brilliant openers and untouchable middle order batsmen and you are going to get steam rollered most of the time.

Every other nation struggled against them not just England.

England had a couple of bad series against the Windies, this current West Indies side cannot beat anybody, that is why they are near the bottom of the test rankings.

They haven't won a test series since 2014, have lost the last eight and their only wins just before that came v Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. :rolleyes:

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We should rest the Test team and play under 21's in the next 2 games. It'd still be comfortable wins.

Re: Home tests 2017

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35913372)

Even those games weren't such a no contest as this one. .

From 1974 to 1989 England never won a Wisden trophy test match against the West Indies so alas it was very one sided Mr K and Jim for a considerable period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...Trophy_records

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...Trophy_records

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However, as I keep trying to get you to accept, at that time England where still winning series against the other test playing countries. And at the risk of repeating myself, the West Indies where beating everyone else as well.

So, England in that time, winning test matches, this current West indies side not, and not looking likely to do either. However you like to play it there is no comparison with England in the 70/80's and this current Windies side.
There where some very good players in the England sides of the 70/80's, the Windies where just a lot better. There are no good players in this West Indies side, most of them wouldn't make a county second eleven and the England teams of the 70/80's would have the thrashed them as well.

Re: Home tests 2017

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35913523)

However, as I keep trying to get you to accept, at that time England where still winning series against the other test playing countries. And at the risk of repeating myself, the West Indies where beating everyone else as well.

So, England in that time, winning test matches, this current West indies side not, and not looking likely to do either. However you like to play it there is no comparison with England in the 70/80's and this current Windies side.
There where some very good players in the England sides of the 70/80's, the Windies where just a lot better. There are no good players in this West Indies side, most of them wouldn't make a county second eleven and the England teams of the 70/80's would have the thrashed them as well.

Most of these players in the current WI side are very callow currently so to say they are not good enough Jim l can't agree with that.

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Well Sir Geoffrey for one agrees with me. Worst team ever :p:

Re: Home tests 2017

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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35913536)

Well Sir Geoffrey for one agrees with me. Worst team ever :p:

l thought a intelligent wise man like you did not need someone else to substantiate your argument.;):p:

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Just pointing out you disagree with me but someone with far more gravitas than either of us agrees with me. :p: