Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35884441)

I believe that if we can get a good deal on brexit then we will be on course for something great, I am sure the other countries wouldn't want to lose the money the UK spends on imports, due to our lack of a industry.

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35884300)

I am not convinced our current government have anyone's interests at heart but their own.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35884475)

Feathering their own nest and political ends springs to mind..

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35884539)

As I mentioned in the old thread some MP's are in a bind over this issue. The country voted leave but their constituency may have voted to stay, in some cases by a large margin.

Because we have a representative system whose wishes should they most closely follow? The country or those who actually elected them. This isn't a conscience issue so I don't think MP's can simply follow their own agenda.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35884635)

They should really be supporting the referendum result even if their constituents went the other way because come what may that is going to happen

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35884638)

If an MP won't uphold the wishes of his constituents what is he doing there? We know it won't change the referendum result but what's the point of voting for them if they won't represent you?

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35884638)

If an MP won't uphold the wishes of his constituents what is he doing there? We know it won't change the referendum result but what's the point of voting for them if they won't represent you?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35884689)

Democracy has been shown the red card by Leave MPs including Boris Johnson, Andrea Leadsom, Chris Grayling. They have just cynically voted against the £350m pw they promised the NHS.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35884689)

Democracy has been shown the red card by Leave MPs including Boris Johnson, Andrea Leadsom, Chris Grayling. They have just cynically voted against the £350m pw they promised the NHS.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35884693)

I am still waiting for that Emergency budget, that was needed after a leave result...

Next.... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35884695)

I'll help by explaining the situation to you Mick. The chancellor who made that threat (George Osborne) has been kicked into touch. The Leave MPs I mentioned are still in power and breaking their promises whilst the NHS suffers one of its worst periods.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35884695)

I'll help by explaining the situation to you Mick. The chancellor who made that threat (George Osborne) has been kicked into touch. The Leave MPs I mentioned are still in power and breaking their promises whilst the NHS suffers one of its worst periods.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35884700)

No need to explain anything to me. The point you have conveniently missed or ignored is that there was LIES told on both sides.

As for your point above about the NHS and it's current situation. Unless it has escaped your attention, we are still in the EU and paying the membership fee, we are not out yet, the sooner the better, as far as I am concerned.

Who knows what will happen once we leave and where the membership fee money will go once we are finally out?

But the argument about the 350m per week has been done to death and, while I cannot speak for other brexiteers, it was not the reason I voted to leave anyway.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35884702)

I'm not missing any point. This is not a debate on the morality or inaccuracy of any previous campaigns. These MPs had the chance today to give the NHS £350m pw when we leave the EU which is what they campaigned for. They have now cynically voted against what they campaigned for.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35884702)

I'm not missing any point. This is not a debate on the morality or inaccuracy of any previous campaigns. These MPs had the chance today to give the NHS £350m pw when we leave the EU which is what they campaigned for. They have now cynically voted against what they campaigned for.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35884708)

I am not bothered. It is what it is.. many MPs have voted against various promises offered over the years. Fact of life Politicians make promises they don't always keep.

All I am bothered about it that we are now leaving that corrupted pile of dog mess, oh look, Greece looking like it needs yet another bailout, how many is this so far ? The EU is not working and we are leaving, thank goodness!!!

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35884713)

Greeks aren't working past 55 aren't paying taxes and aren't paying off their debt can't imagine whats wrong ;)

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35884699)

we are still paying the eu as we haven't left yet when we do leave we can spend the money on whatever we want to

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35884702)

I'm not missing any point. This is not a debate on the morality or inaccuracy of any previous campaigns. These MPs had the chance today to give the NHS £350m pw when we leave the EU which is what they campaigned for. They have now cynically voted against what they campaigned for.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35884704)

the campaign bus slogan was

we send the eu £350 million per week
LETS FUND OUR NHS INSTEAD
it doesn't say give it all to the nhs it says lets fund it

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35884704)

the campaign bus slogan was

we send the eu £350 million per week
LETS FUND OUR NHS INSTEAD
it doesn't say give it all to the nhs it says lets fund it

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35884720)

The bus never said give the NHS 350million a week.
It said we give the EU 350M a week, let's fund our NHS.
That didn't give a value as to how much of the 350M we use.[COLOR="Silver"]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35884726)

Please focus on the facts - Boris & Co campaigned on a £350m a week pledge for the NHS once we leave the EU.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/682...gel-Farage-NHS

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35884730)

the daily express :shocked: whats nigel farage got to do with it :shrug:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35884731)

'Tis my Brexit bible, papa. ;)

Originally Posted by Cable Forum (Post 35884295)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35884729)

The Campaign's marketing literature stated explicitly that £350m pw would be invested in the NHS.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/682...gel-Farage-NHS
I agree we've been through this before so why people start mentioning buses is beyond me. The fact remains that these politicians had an opportunity to honour their promise today. They failed democracy by not doing so.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35884841)

Well I certainly didn't vote leave to have all that money going to the NHS, which frankly is a bottomless pit. The NHS needs a total re-think more in line with the original intention of Aneurin Bevin. The money would be better spent in adult social care and paying off our debts.

The NHS needs a root and branch review. People should not be permitted in this country unless they have private health insurance so we don't end up providing them with a free service at our expense. A&E should admit only genuine emergencies. All doctors surgeries should be open through the evenings and at weekends. That would be a good start.

I voted to leave to get better control over immigration (so that we admit only those who have job offers or who will not be reliant on the State) and to regain our sovereignty over stifling EU laws. I suspect that most thinking leavers did so for much the same reasons.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35884857)

Are you sure you're not confused about that? Maybe what you really wanted to do was stay within the EU... :D

Originally Posted by EnglishMan (Post 35884944)

As a WHITE ENGLISH person I think Brexit is a good thing. An yes, the opinion of White English people is important.

Originally Posted by EnglishMan (Post 35884944)

As a WHITE ENGLISH person I think Brexit is a good thing. An yes, the opinion of White English people is important.

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35884764)

Diane Abbott spurns David Davis in Strangers’ Bar
:rofl:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35884977)

Thank goodness Diane is well again; she must have been ill for at least 45 minutes. Such a delicate flower with a comprehensive command of the English language; she certainly knows her expletives :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35884978)

It is a relief she's feeling better, imagine how bad she must have felt if this guy could get in but she couldn't

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3460551.html

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35885176)

Linky

That'll deflate the Scottish wind bagpipe. :D

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35885193)

First it was the oil price and now it's the EU. Do they have a plan B yet? :D

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35885202)

REVEALED: Britain CAN quit EU without a Brexit withdrawal agreement and save £150 BILLION

A top legal expert has told Express.co.uk that under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, Britain has the legal right to leave the EU without a withdrawal agreement should they not agree to exit terms.

And Prime Minister Theresa May can easily thwart any attempts by EU leaders, including Polish politician Donald Tusk and Luxembourg's former Prime Minister Jean Claude Juncker, to hold the British tax payer to ransom by simply saying “No!”.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/765...ause-WTO-rules

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35885202)

REVEALED: Britain CAN quit EU without a Brexit withdrawal agreement and save £150 BILLION

A top legal expert has told Express.co.uk that under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, Britain has the legal right to leave the EU without a withdrawal agreement should they not agree to exit terms.

And Prime Minister Theresa May can easily thwart any attempts by EU leaders, including Polish politician Donald Tusk and Luxembourg's former Prime Minister Jean Claude Juncker, to hold the British tax payer to ransom by simply saying “No!”.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/765...ause-WTO-rules

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35885204)

Christopher O'Donnell. Thought the name was familiar.

"U.S. securities regulators sued two former financial advisers at Morgan Stanley Friday for defrauding at least 50 mutual fund companies and their shareholders.
Darryl Goldstein, 36, and Christopher O'Donnell, 45, engaged in deceptive acts between January 2002 and August 2003 that were designed to circumvent mutual funds' restrictions on market timing and generate fees for themselves, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission alleged in a complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/22263917

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35885205)

That's always been an option. We don't like the agreement then just leave.
Nothing they can do about it but it would harm getting a trade deal with them so not necessarily the preferred option.

Subsection 3 of article 50 actually states.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35884524)

Being a government or a MP means IMO the government and MP's putting the wider interests of this country first ahead of its own selfish personal interest's and agenda's .

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35885213)

No no no Passingbat Theresa may must be roundly criticised at every opportunity for trying to sort out the mess that david cameron created him and georgey boy have skipped off into the private sunset and are not to blame one jot. All things considered i think shes doing as good a job as anyone would under the circumstances and her plans in other areas are very welcome just a shame they won't get sorted until brexit is.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35885209)

Well, Teresa May was a remainer, but she's putting the majority vote of the nation above her own personal preference for the remain agenda.


Not sure how your argument stacks up in the case of the Prime Minister.

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35885251)

It's not like the Guardian to report bad news about Brexit :D

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35885251)

It's not like the Guardian to report bad news about Brexit :D

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35885209)

Well, Teresa May was a remainer, but she's putting the majority vote of the nation above her own personal preference for the remain agenda.


Not sure how your argument stacks up in the case of the Prime Minister.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35885255)

fake news for brexit bashers :)

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35885271)

No, I don't think she is putting the majority vote above her own preferences, simply because I think her own preferences don't go any further than furthering her own career. Look at her past. The polls were saying that remain would win, so she proclaimed she was pro remain. The second she found out that the leave camp had won, she was suddenly pro leave.

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35885251)

It's not like the Guardian to report bad news about Brexit :D

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35885280)

Oh dear, John Bercow admits to voting Remain (On Camera) in the Brexit Referendum last year, this guy seems to have forgot the remit of his own office duties. Impartiality.....

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35885280)

Oh dear, John Bercow admits to voting Remain (On Camera) in the Brexit Referendum last year, this guy seems to have forgot the remit of his own office duties. Impartiality.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-voted-remain/

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35885281)

He's an MP and gets a vote like the rest of us. He only has to be impartial when being speaker; he spoke for the majority of MPs and public about the Trumpster so fair enough. I suspect he'll stay in the job.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35885295)

He should have kept his trap shut. I never said he was not entitled to a vote and no he did not speak for the majority of MPs at all, he spoke up for some of the Labour Party and stupid as stupid does, the SNP, you miss the point entirely as usual.

(From same article in my post above):

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35885312)

Reverend is suspended from his job after telling MP Anna Soubry: 'I hope you burn in hell, evil b**ch'

Ms Soubry would ‘go down in history as a desperate and treacherous politician’ who wanted to shackle the UK in ‘European serfdom,’ he raged, adding: ‘Traitors are long remembered. May you burn in hell you evil bitch!’


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he missed out drunken .

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35885321)

Nope. Since you gave the Mail as the source, I don't believe you. Never happened. Fake news ;) :D

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35885324)

Row erupts over David Davis' 'sexist' texts about Labour MP Diane Abbott
Brexit Secretary David Davis sparked a sexism row over claims he sent a text message which appeared to say he would not try to kiss Labour's Diane Abbott because he is "not blind".
The storm blew up after it was reported that the shadow home secretary told Mr Davis to "f*** off" after he seemed to lean in to try to embrace her in a Commons bar.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3464711.html

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35885338)

Yep. This story just gets better :D

link :rofl:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35885339)

Who leaked/hacked the texts? Can't imagine either MP would.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35885339)

Who leaked/hacked the texts? Can't imagine either MP would.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35885344)

Why do we care about all this stuff? Sounds like both parties are at fault and acted a bit childishly. Yes we should expect better from people in their positions, but how many of us have acted a bit childishly in the past?


I personally don't see how relevant it is to these discussions, which surely are about policy not personality.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35885347)

It's not so much about what we feel about it but whether it has any political ramifications.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35885352)

It won't. Brexit is happening. This will not influence the terms in which we leave one iota.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35885353)

No one has said it will influence the terms.

---------- Post added at 14:04 ---------- Previous post was at 14:01 ----------

Google the headline for full article. Another reason why we can't just leave tomorrow as some desire
Will Brexit complicate landing rights for UK flights?

The problem for Britain arises from potentially leaving the EU’s single aviation market, the world’s most liberal skies regime, and losing the operating rights that come with it — both in Europe and around the world.
Without an agreement to replace this, the UK’s legal fallback options are limited. And in negotiating new terms, levels of access start from a low base.
Europe’s unparalleled integration came through regulations that tore down national barriers and gave air carriers near unlimited rights to fly within Europe. This “big bang” in the early 1990s paved the way for low cost airlines such as easyJet, which admits it is a “product of the EU’s deregulation”.
“Pre-1992, it was all bilateral agreements, with strict rules on passenger numbers and services per week, the airlines that could operate, the airports served, and the prices offered,” says Thomas van der Wijngaart, aviation expert at Clyde & Co, the law firm.
The issue for the UK is that this integration is based on three things that are difficult to replicate from outside: 35 shared pieces of legislation, a common regulator in the European Aviation Safety Agency, and a common court to apply shared rules, the European Court of Justice, including non-discrimination against air carriers.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35885366)

Keep clutching at straws Andrew; but we're leaving. Time to get used to it. There will be issues to resolve, but 'where there is a will, there is a way'. The globalists have been halted for a while. Bilderberger Ken Clarke must be devastated.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35885368)

No one has said it's not happening, I'm unsure why you said that. If you read my introductory sentence, you will see why we can't simply leave the EU tomorrow as some suggest we can. That is the reason for highlighting this issue.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35885370)

We are a sovereign nation. We can do ANYTHING we want and that includes tearing up EU treaties and NOT paying a penny. It may be the nuclear option but it exists.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35885372)

However, that's like leaving your partner, and setting fire to the house - you might feel better at the time, but you end up paying more in the end....

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35885372)

However, that's like leaving your partner, and setting fire to the house - you might feel better at the time, but you end up paying more in the end....

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35885373)

Maybe but I was making the point that we *could* chose that path and nothing is fixed unlike the remainers keep saying.;)

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35885372)

However, that's like leaving your partner, and setting fire to the house - you might feel better at the time, but you end up paying more in the end....

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35885382)

But then if things go pear shaped the 'remoaners' will of course point it out..;)

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35885382)

But then if things go pear shaped the 'remoaners' will of course point it out..;)

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35885419)

And Brexiteers will keep blaming them for any problems - it's what they do..

Talk about 'sore winners'...;)

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35885312)

Reverend is suspended from his job after telling MP Anna Soubry: 'I hope you burn in hell, evil b**ch'

Ms Soubry would ‘go down in history as a desperate and treacherous politician’ who wanted to shackle the UK in ‘European serfdom,’ he raged, adding: ‘Traitors are long remembered. May you burn in hell you evil bitch!’


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he missed out drunken .

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35885370)

We are a sovereign nation. We can do ANYTHING we want and that includes tearing up EU treaties and NOT paying a penny. It may be the nuclear option but it exists.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35885419)

Talk about 'sore winners'...;)