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Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result?

Check out these 12 top self-comforting strategies.

1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters.

2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts.

3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result.

4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets.

5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do.

6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion.

7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes.

8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister.

9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire.

10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy".
11} jack your job in cos you can't get your own way
12 ] start blubing -and hope they will beg you to turn around [cos your good at that]

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It's crazy Londons Remainers are saying Leave vote is a racist vote, has anyone been to London? Immigrants left homeless on the streets. Horrifically deprived areas almost completly inhabited by black/Asian/ethnic minority's, entire family's forced to live in 1 room flats.

All this within 2 miles of almost 100% white areas of wealthy, extremely wealthy people. There doesn't seem to be any intergration when compared to Birmigham, Manchester, Newcastle ect ect. Londoners have selfishly voted based on worries about the bank balance and bank accounts.

F we don't Brexit there should be a 4 week national strike, and Leavers should constantly MAKE SURE they're heard until we get what we democraticly voted for.

I keep reading Brexiters are poor uneducated racist idiots, were not, but I get the feeling the country may regret it if they don't listen to us.

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No one said that - what actually happened was that the pollsters reported that the demographic breakdown of those who said they were going to vote to Leave were mainly older working class people who had not undertaken Higher Education; the tabloid rags (Mail, Express, etc.) then twisted this, and some Brexiteers played the Victim card and insisted Stay voters were saying this.

A few may have, but judging all Stay voters by these idiots is like classifying all Brexiteers by the EDL/NF supporters who also wanted to leave...

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I can't comment on racist but the other two are generally the case. The poorer members of our society and retirees voted in a plurality to leave. Higher levels of education correlated with voting to remain, as did higher social group status.

I apologise in advance for bringing facts into the discussion.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06...voted-and-why/

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Wow, we have 17 million uneducated poor people in the uk aged over 18. How has this been allowed to happen, and what do we do about it?

We accept your facts, what do you think we should do about this? Telling ourselves we are a inclusive caring wealthy country, but 40% of people over 18 are poor and uneducated. We are third world. Or as most of these people live outside of London and are white do we ignore this?

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its good job we wuz lernt to yewz a pencul init coz weez wun x

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Didn't say that and those aren't my facts, those are Lord Ashcroft's.

Well we could try investing more in areas where there are more poor people in order to allow them to become wealthier.

The ERDF was doing that in Cornwall especially due to it having a GDP of less than 75% the EU average, but also places like here, Leeds, through the Leeds Enterprise Partnership, though obviously that's going to stop and Westminster is unlikely to take up the slack, it'll be too busy fumbling for the £350 million a week that was allegedly going to be funding the NHS.

On another note here's an interesting graphic from Lord Ashcroft on motivations for voting one way or another. Surprising such an inclusive, caring, wealthy country would place such a premium on border controls and immigration when our immigration levels per head of population are considerably below those of countries like Canada, Australia and various others.

Likewise surprising so many people within our inclusive and caring country that voted to leave seem so vehemently against an EEA-EFTA solution when we leave the EU - it would restore the ability to control our own laws, after all.

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I used to be a strong advocate of direct democracy and power being placed as closely as possible to those it affected as I'm sure I said. Then I saw the result of this referendum and as I watched the coverage afterwards learned more and more about so may people's motivations for their vote and now really doubt that it's such a good idea.

Lots of people saying they were doing it as a protest vote and to stick the fingers up to the establishment. If the vote were held again on Monday remain would win by a country mile now the reality of it all has hit home.

I guess what's most ironic about your post is that while there you're being sarcastic in the post before your standard of English would be unacceptable for someone leaving primary school. Full stops are required at the end of each item in a list like that one. The rest I've emboldened. You're welcome.

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So because I voted leave I'm uneducated, really is there any end to the utter excrement remain supporters will spew to try and defend a bad campaign, badly presented and horrendously represented. Oh I'm sorry I used words that a leave voter shouldn't have I should stick to four letter words as per my education level. Remain were so convinced that they were right and arrogant that we would fall into line they never ran a campaign of information or positivity just throw enough scare tactics at the plebs and the job will be done.

It was clear weeks before the vote that the fear mongering wasn't working but they didn't have the ability or imagination to change tactics they just increased the level of the fear mongering, and we are uneducated. Now is the time to start repairing the divides within the UK not to enlarge those divides further as some seem to want, in fact I don't think some remainers will be happy unless there is civil strife and total economic collapse all so they can continue feeling smug and superior to the uneducated who didn't bow down and fall into their line.

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I didn't say that, and who said I voted remain?

To clear any kind of doubt:

According to Lord Ashcroft's data level of education correlated with likelihood of a remain vote, as did social status group.

So, everyone enjoying the BS we were sold unravelling as the faces behind Leave realise that they actually have to back it up?

Everyone enjoying Boris and Gove realising that Cameron has left them the poison chalice of having to initiate article 50?

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This is damn funny in an extremely dark way.

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What a surprise. Brexiter backtracking on the immigration remarks.

Dan Hannan doing much the same.

They may not have said 'reduce' but they knew very well that's what people thought.

As Anne above remarked all we got from both sides was scaremongering.

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Sorry, but you did say you were posting FACTS!!!!! so do you believe in what you posted as a fact or not?

Ignition, as a respected member you are coming out this very very badly. Voice your opinions not those of the horrid devisive Remain campaigners. Basically be brave and honest enough to give your own opinions, do not hide behind the opinions of others! It's very very weak.

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My comment wasn't aimed at you ignit it was aimed at Ashcroft and the remain supporters repeating it and I think using that sort of language is disgusting unless the aim is to further damage the UK. This is starting to get stupid and everyone needs to just accept the vote and move forward, I made my feelings clear on both campaigns before the vote and also made it clear that people were going to have to look for themselves if they wanted real information to base their vote on as neither side was interested in real information. But the continuing barrage of abuse that's getting thrown at leave voters is pathetic and demonstrates just how democratic some people are which is basically only when it's what they want.

Time is needed now to construct the path forward because I don't think it was just the remain side that took the result for granted I don't think Boris and gove really thought they would win either. As I said this is now the time to start repairing our country not damage it further.

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Ashcroft is a Leave supporter and he didn't invent the data, it was from his exit poll. Those where the demographics. It's an interesting poll by the way because it shows the class and social divisions that now exist in the UK.

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This rhetoric is unnecessary and unhelpful.

Just leave it.

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The poll is based on a large enough sample size for any other conclusion to be outside the margin of error, so fact.

Whether I agree with the poll is irrelevant to it being factual or not, but I do. I've no reason not to as I've seen no data that disagrees. I can't take ownership of his organisation's work hence the facts aren't mine, however the citation is.

Polls done by multiple companies repeated his findings. YouGov come to mind immediately.

I'm happily voicing my own opinions as freely as possible within the scope of the forum rules.

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Unhelpful or not that's the data. We've had plenty enough suppression of facts before the vote from the various BS-mongers. Whether it presents the result in a good or a bad light it is what it is and it doesn't change anything.

There will be plenty of other facts that are unhelpful and will damage the UK. Anyone who claims that we won't at least in the short term be harmed in some ways by the decision is either lying or deluded.

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