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Scary times maybe

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...against-israel

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For Iran, perhaps. There’s no way it can ultimately come off best in an encounter like this. It looks like a desperate throw of the dice - I’m sure they thought provoking Israel to go wild in Gaza would have resulted in it suffering serious international consequences by now, but it seems to have concluded if you want a job doing, best do it yourself.

These are all scary times Chris....

The US will probably force themselves in on it and then try to get you guys to help also......


War is no good!!

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They’re hoping for a tit for tat, let’s not escalate this any further pragmatic response.


Let’s see if they get it.

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NEW: Israeli war cabinet approves a military response to Iran’s aggression.

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Already, happened. US shot down some drones and the UK already deployed the RAF.

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Into 5 star hotels with a pool on the beach front in Cyprus :)

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Well, duh!

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1713098512

A MOD official was conducting an All Services briefing one day, and he posed the question: "What would you do if you found a scorpion in your tent?"

A Sailor said, "I'd step on it."

A Soldier said, "I'd hit it with my boot."

A Royal Marine said, "I'd catch it, break the stinger off, and eat it."

An Airman said, "I'd call room service and find out why there's a damn tent in my room."

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Perfect plan. They are camouflaged, mingling with the others in the pool and they can monitor Israel across the sea. Genius.

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They don’t have pools on Mount Troodos (but they do at Ayios Nikolaos)… ;)

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If Israel retaliates and ends up killing thousands of innocent Iranians with their superior missiles. Will it be Israel’s fault they were killed…..or Iran’s……asking for a friend.

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Let's hope they don't. The US is putting pressure on them not to respond.

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If they killed “thousands” of innocent Iranians it’d be Israel’s.

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You may find this informative…

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...ke-escalation/

It’s almost as if Netanyahu was deliberately escalating tensions…

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Why are we getting involved,nothing to do with us. They never helped us in Iraq or Afghanistan. USA gonna drag us in again

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Probably an unpopular opinion but I’m getting to the point where I think Netanyahu poses the greatest risk to peace in the region.

Whilst the west won’t engage in an attack against Iran they’ll happily provide the military hardware for Israel to do it. But if Iran launches an attack against Israel as we’ve seen then they’ll step in to defend.


This gives Netanyahu the ability and impunity to act without fear as he knows that ultimately Israel will be defended there seems to be significant scope creep

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Guilt ?

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Two questions:

• Will Ukraine feel a bit miffed that France, the US and UK have shot down missiles approaching Israel but not missiles over Ukraine? Particularly when Israel has the Iron Dome which Ukraine doesn't.
• Will Russia help Iran by shooting down any missiles that Israel fires at it?

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Welcome.

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Ukraine will be miffed seeing the US pull out all the stops for a genuine ally. I doubt Russia have capacity to assist Iran in that way.

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More than Iran?

Iran that funds Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Kataib Hezbollah, Asaib Ahl al Haq, Badr Organization, Zaynabiyoun Brigade, to name but a few.

ok.

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Ukraine has been given SAMs and Fighters.

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At this point yes, Israel went of and lobbed missiles that caused the death of a senior Iranian military figure amongst others . Iran responded 99% of missiles and drones intercepted with minimal damage and one casualty

Iran states it considers the matter now closed, Israel is now probably going to launch a military action in response. To which the Iranian hard liners will demand a response .

Israel have allowed scope creep here they’re not only going after Hamas but everyone who poses a threat

Israel are not innocent in all of this and they need to be held accountable by their allies and that’s not happening. If anyone dares to criticise Israel then they’re called out for being anti semetic.

We all know that Israel can’t wipe out Hamas so this in terms of Gaza turns into punishment. Punishment of a nation of people that for the vast majority haven’t been able to vote for an alternative because a. There’s been no elections and b. Realistically they would have no choice but to vote for Hamas because of intimidation and violence.

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Israel would probably say he was a legitimate target. They said that they were going to do this months ago, so should not come as a great surprise.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ia%20Hezbollah.

from the article: and besides America do it all the time, so why shouldn't Israel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53345885

or is it just untenable because it's Israel?

Oh, well that's alright then. I tried to kill you and desparately wanted to, but just because my gun mis-fired, hey, no harm , no foul.

of course it does, they've just shown the world they're not very good at this and would rather that no one retaliated.......sorry.

It's not creep, like in the first article above they told everyone months ago, they are going after targets they deem legitimate for their national security.

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“America do it all the time” is an invitation for every rogue state to do as they please.

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Just trying to work out the difference.

USA assassinate Qassim Suleimani, Commander of Iranian Forces. All good.

Israel assassinate Iranian General Mohammad Reza Zahedi. All bad.

Explain it to me like I’m 5yrs old.

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One wasn’t in an Embassy building, one was…

Under the UN Charter (and the Vienna Conventions), the premises of a diplomatic mission are inviolable.

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It’s not necessarily “bad” that either took the actions they took. It certainly is a breach of the norms and customs of international diplomacy to bomb the consulate of another country.

To expect Iran to sit back and not retaliate for either is perhaps unrealistic. Nor to expect Iran, Russia, China or anyone else to abide these norms and customs going forward.

If we want to pretend to have an international rules based order Israel should at least pretend to be suitably rebuked by Iran and perhaps keep this “up their sleeve” for the next opportunistic moment to hit an Iranian target of genuine significance. Or take a pop shot at an air base.

Anything beyond that is escalation. The number of weapons fired is a red herring. Iran told everyone what they were going to do. Everyone had enough time to prepare. It’s the definition of grandstanding. I don’t doubt the bloodthirsty among the Israeli cabinet would welcome the opportunity to escalate, just as they have eviscerated Gaza, but it’s in nobody’s interests.

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It is likewise a breach of norms to establish a military HQ and designate it a consulate. Much as it’s generally considered poor form to build a fortified underground command centre underneath a hospital.

Makes you wonder whether Iran and/or Hamas expected to get away with it, or were banking on not getting away with it, in pursuit of headlines, pretexts, strained alliances, etc.

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Most consulates have a military HQ in there buildings.

The US thinks they own the world and always have.... No other country has treated the world as bad as this one has..... Most people dont know what really goes on and think the US is the best country in the world!!

Far from it!

Im sorry they are dragging you guys in AGAIN!!

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Were the hospitals actually a thing? I only ever saw IDF staged photos so chalked it up with the 40 beheaded babies under "things that didn't happen". Of course there were empty tunnels the Israelis built themselves in the 80s.

I bet the lads at Langley would never use a consulate as a cover.

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Again, norms … everyone’s intelligence agency has staff in its embassies and consulates around the world. Intelligence officers are however civilian, not military. They don’t plan military operations and they don’t command soldiers.

‘Israel built the tunnels’ is one of the more entertaining lines to have come out of Hamas, isn’t it.

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Probably semantics for whatever Government is being overthrown by the CIA at a given time.

Did they not build at least some of the tunnel and bunker infrastructure under hospitals that were constructed during Israeli occupation?

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Good grief. :sleep:

You really need a new tin foil hat, the current one seems to be failing. :erm:

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I believe US intelligence said that Iran had no pre-warning of the 7 October attack. Not that they would have objected to it.

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Yes, I’m sure the organisational flow chart has only a dotted reporting line from Gaza back to Tehran. Iran’s strategy has been ‘strategic ambiguity.’ We know they’re behind it, they know we know they’re behind it, but they prefer (until now) for there to be a lack of hard evidence that they're behind it.

Note that this week, most of the Arab states that would once have gleefully helped bomb Israel to pieces all lined up to help bring down Iran’s attack. Saudi Arabia is only waiting for the Gaza situation to die down before quietly signing the treaty with Israel they have long been working on.

This long ceased to be what we used to call the ‘Arab-Israeli dispute’. Palestine’s ongoing instability and especially Hamas’ continuing brutal rule in Gaza is all Iran’s work. Their money, their training. Have no doubt a reckoning is coming - Israel knows it is going to have to deal with the problem at source sooner or later, and I wouldn’t bet too heavily against them looking to address it sooner, given this week’s developments.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68823348


Interesting read - snippets

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Indeed. The best route to improve Israel's security would be to take the Ayatollah out, his replacement can't be worse.

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Well something has happened, although nobody seems to know what. Israel saying nothing. Iran downplaying.

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My guess is that Israel has opted for a technology demonstration, cutting through Iran’s defences and hitting something precious to them with maybe only a single missile. Just enough to show Iran what will happen to it unless it pipes down. Quite the power play, if so.

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Regime change, to a less hardcore Islamic government would transform the region. Young Iranians are not into Islamism.

I doubt it could happen but you live in hope.