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1andrew1 07-03-2024 22:43

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36171641)
Are you suggesting communism as an alternative, because that’s always turned out great?

Or a third way? Which I’d be happy to listen to.

Bit of a movement towards mutuals at the moment. Nationwide Building Society is buying stock-exchange-listed Virgin Money and Coventry Building Society is in exclusive talks to acquire the Co-operative Bank from its private equity owners.

Sephiroth 07-03-2024 22:57

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36171651)
Bit of a movement towards mutuals at the moment. Nationwide Building Society is buying stock-exchange-listed Virgin Money and Coventry Building Society is in exclusive talks to acquire the Co-operative Bank from its private equity owners.

It's like I've been saying all along, British business keeps going and, although we are squeezed by the government, we keep going too - just about. As in, despite government.

jfman 08-03-2024 03:12

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36171641)
Are you suggesting communism as an alternative, because that’s always turned out great?

Or a third way? Which I’d be happy to listen to.

The alternative to the failed privatisations that, at best, haven’t created genuinely competitive markets and at worst require further public subsidy in any case isn’t “communism”.

It’s a “red” herring.

Mr K 08-03-2024 08:12

Re: The budget
 
The budget went down well then....

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Labour lead at 28pts
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 46% (+1)
CON: 18% (-2)
REF: 13% (+1)
LDEM: 10% (-)

via
@PeoplePolling
, 07 Mar

Ken W 08-03-2024 08:16

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171613)
It's a shit budget because it does not address any of the root causes of our problems nor does help the people at the low end of income.



I am 81 and the budget will not help.
All of the PMs shouild try living solely on a state pension

Sephiroth 08-03-2024 09:22

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 36171672)
I am 81 and the budget will not help.
All of the PMs shouild try living solely on a state pension

... in Winnersh!

Ken W 08-03-2024 09:37

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171677)
... in Winnersh!

Yes in Winnersh

Paul 08-03-2024 14:04

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36171670)
The budget went down well then....

I doubt it made much difference either way.

Ken W 08-03-2024 15:40

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36171688)
I doubt it made much difference either way.


It was rubbish

Mr K 09-03-2024 08:19

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36171688)
I doubt it made much difference either way.

Given that the intention was to ' buy votes', then that's a failure.

jfman 09-03-2024 08:29

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36171731)
Given that the intention was to ' buy votes', then that's a failure.

I’d be interested to see underlying data to the polls. Are they not moving full stop or is there movement in there with no overall change?

A 4% cut in “tax” for working people but not pensioners should, in normal times, move some dials. However perhaps this lot so incompetent they’ve lost everyone that’d be motivated by such things already and their vote is really at the floor of true believers, people who hate “socialism” and those that don’t understand economics.

Abolishing NI and recouping that revenue from income tax or VAT would be quite a move against the interests of traditional Tory voters.

Sephiroth 09-03-2024 10:11

Re: The budget
 

My inner self really hates them. Nothing in the budget to tackle the housing crisis. Rather than build more houses, they go for the soft target, such as people with second homes whose Council Tax will double in 2025 so that the wretched councils can waste even more of our money.

Yeah yeah; I can already see what some of you are thinking: most people don’t have second homes. But that’s not the point. Instead of building more houses, take them away from those who have a spare house. How Trotsky/Marx is that? From the Conservatives!

A shit budget from an even shitter government.


Inactive Digital 09-03-2024 10:17

Re: The budget
 
I don't think this budget deserved to change the polling.

People aren't daft. Those of us who have benefitted from the 4% NI cuts this year know that, however welcome it is to household finances, it's an election bribe. In 2015 or 2017 it could have worked, but people know this is a desperate measure from a government that no longer has the goodwill of the general public to make such a pre-election giveaway work.

Only 12 months ago we were being told that NI cuts were unaffordable. Well the economy must be going great guns now if suddenly we can afford a 4% cut...

Instead of short term sticking plasters, what we need is a truly radical long term plan for growth over the next 50 years, along with the investment to support that.

Mr K 09-03-2024 11:21

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 36171736)
Instead of short term sticking plasters, what we need is a truly radical long term plan for growth over the next 50 years, along with the investment to support that.

Politicians are only interested in the next 5 years , and then only in the last year having filled their boots in the first 4 years.

People are daft, to put it politely, when it comes to voting. They vote on whether the leader is a bit of a laugh/ has charisma (hence Boris), or how the self interested media tell them to. A benevolent dictatorship might be better all round. A least there's a bit of stability/ long term planning ;)

Hugh 09-03-2024 11:45

Re: The budget
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171734)

My inner self really hates them. Nothing in the budget to tackle the housing crisis. Rather than build more houses, they go for the soft target, such as people with second homes whose Council Tax will double in 2025 so that the wretched councils can waste even more of our money.

Yeah yeah; I can already see what some of you are thinking: most people don’t have second homes. But that’s not the point. Instead of building more houses, take them away from those who have a spare house. How Trotsky/Marx is that? From the Conservatives!

A shit budget from an even shitter government.


A ≠ B

How does increasing someone’s Council Tax on a Second Home become taking the Second Home away from them?


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